tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588509537601105804.post2302171085477242557..comments2024-01-26T08:04:08.517-05:00Comments on The Public Query Slushpile: Query: FERRIS' BLUFF a thrillerRick Daleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05173516899130463413noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588509537601105804.post-1383510306540569922009-08-01T16:08:10.561-04:002009-08-01T16:08:10.561-04:00Hi Fred,
You can post a revision just like your ...Hi Fred, <br /><br />You can post a revision just like your first query. If you include the revision number for the subject line it is helpful for me.Rick Daleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05173516899130463413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588509537601105804.post-85587408180145897512009-07-31T13:28:31.820-04:002009-07-31T13:28:31.820-04:00Help!
Could someone let me know the correct way t...Help!<br /><br />Could someone let me know the correct way to post a revision. Do you go to the "post queries here" thread and start over or do you paste the revision inline?<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />FredFred Limberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16014492895798758734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588509537601105804.post-58592781786896913102009-07-31T11:38:42.443-04:002009-07-31T11:38:42.443-04:00I think you have a great concept and a book I'...I think you have a great concept and a book I'd enjoy reading - BUT you must cut it down (as you've heard already).<br /><br />Try to keep the simple three in mind (it's hard but I've been doing this all week, so trust me, I know)<br /><br />HOOK<br />BOOK<br />COOK<br /><br />Deliver the hook, tell us about the book then tell us about you.<br /><br />Short and sweet.<br /><br />Good luck!<br /><br />C.J.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01534284446634705363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588509537601105804.post-11014801207264129532009-07-31T10:26:46.041-04:002009-07-31T10:26:46.041-04:00Everyone,
Thank you very much for your comments. ...Everyone,<br /><br />Thank you very much for your comments. It's going to take a bit to digest them all and do some revising, but there's some good advice in there.<br /><br />Froggy, I'll be checking out the 130 word query, but that ain't happenin' here! Your breakdown list is excellent.<br /><br />Barb, good eye, I didn't see how many times Ace started a sentence.<br /><br />Everyone who was bothered by the MC's name. Ace is critical to the story, that's his nickname, deal with it.<br /><br />Tricia, I was trying to get a sort of homey feel in the way I structured some of the sentences and word choices. This is actually pared down from an earlier version. Maybe too much? I don't know yet.<br /><br />David, Bring the love brother... the WPP is indeed administered by the Marshal Service, and the reason for Ace's distrust is a critical part of the story---but obviously not well presented YET in the query.<br /><br />Yeah, the hiding and plotting is not done right.<br /><br />Hey, the townspeople ARE quirky. Maybe I should post a few pages.<br /><br />Rick D, Synopsis? Eh? Have to think about that. The battle between telling the story and telling things ABOUT the story rages on. Thx for pointing out that the nightmares go unexplained (I missed that). The G-man reference might be another of my attempts at being cute crashing and burning.<br /><br />Anon 2:11, I'm going to tell you why Ace is on the run but you have to wait for me to post the revision.<br /><br />Sue, The MS doesn't meander, you have to trust me on this. But does the query meander? I'll have to look hard at that. I don't get the 6 subplots being described at all.<br /><br />And for both Sue and gj, I debated putting in the line about Ferris' Bluff being at home on the romantic suspense shelf as well as being a thriller. As the story unfolds Ace and Annie are drawn together in what more than one reviewer described as a smoldering romance inside a thriller. While not the MC, Annie is very prominent, and the major subplot of the story is that they heal each other as they confront all the baddies and are finally able to have a chance at a life together. Now to me, that says romance, and the fact that it isn't at all assured until the last couple of pages is a bit suspenseful.<br /><br />You are probably right, but how am I supposed to let the agent know that this book will have a tremendous appeal to women readers, that it's not just a shoot em up (though there's plenty of that).<br /><br />And all in 130 words! Ha Ha!<br /><br />Thank you all again for your thoughts. You guys (and gals)are pretty good at this.<br /><br />FredFred Limberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16014492895798758734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588509537601105804.post-80308016627161748662009-07-31T08:42:41.819-04:002009-07-31T08:42:41.819-04:00Sounds great, but, as others have said, much too l...Sounds great, but, as others have said, much too long. <br /><br />Also, lose the mention of romantic suspense. The romance would have to be MUCH more prominent, so the line comes across as being ignorant of the market, which won't necessarily kill the agent's interst, but isn't going to help you.gjnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588509537601105804.post-57109540594554207872009-07-30T19:00:25.675-04:002009-07-30T19:00:25.675-04:00Fred, your ms sounds like a fun story. Just a cou...Fred, your ms sounds like a fun story. Just a couple of things to add to what everyone else has said.<br /><br />Any agent or editor who reads this query will be concerned the ms meanders and is unfocused as well. Take a good hard look at the ms.<br /><br />You mention quit a few subplots in your query--I count six in addition to what I think is the main plot. It's very hard to tie so many plot threads together to a satisfying conclusion. Again, be brutal with your ms.<br /><br />Lastly, focus on one, and only one genre/subgenre in your query. The romance would need equal or more prominent treatment for this ms (as described) to be considered romantic suspense. 'Thriller' connotates a scarier, more high-stakes experience than you describe.<br /><br />Personally, I loved your title. It sounds like a madcap misadventure-type read.<br /><br />Best wishes!Suzan Hardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04600258874634909988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588509537601105804.post-1645556254282866832009-07-30T14:11:36.196-04:002009-07-30T14:11:36.196-04:00Fred,
The query letter needs work, but it sounds l...Fred,<br />The query letter needs work, but it sounds like a helluva story. I would maybe give some background on why Ace is hiding from the Russians and WPP, and cut out some of the smaller details like the garden hose incident. I agree that the name Ace is a little cliched especially when there seems to be a lot of originality in the story. <br /><br />how much trouble is Ace in to be on the run?<br />do they want to catch him or kill him?<br />Why is his friend so important that he visits? <br /><br />I think an agent might look past the query because the story has so much potential but you should try and use all the resources on the web to perfect the query.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588509537601105804.post-44866906263397440192009-07-30T13:58:29.217-04:002009-07-30T13:58:29.217-04:00Hi Fred,
Thanks for participating, you're fo...Hi Fred, <br /><br />Thanks for participating, you're following the right path to get started on the long road toward publication.<br /><br />I agree with Frogg that this is too long. It's more of a synopsis than a description of your story for a query.<br /><br />The first sentence should be a compelling hook. "Ace Evans is on the run" is not enough. There are also other lements of the query that need to be brought to the front, such as his military background.<br /><br />For example: Former Navy SEAL Ace Evans is willing to risk his life to help his friend.<br /><br />I have several questions about the plot based on your descriptions:<br /><br />- Why is he running from the Witness Protection Program? Are they not protecting him? <br /><br />- Later when a US Marshall shows up, it seems that he gives Ace info. But the Marshalls run the Witness Protection Program, so should Ace be running from him?<br /><br />- G-Man is slang for an FBI agent, I'm not familiar with it being attributed to a US Marshall.<br /><br />- You mention "his own horrific nightmares" in the first paragraph, but then never provide info what causes them.<br /><br />Try to summarize your story in a single sentence. Get to the core elements: the protagonist (Ace), the primary antagonist (his past? the Russians? Tremont?), and what's at stake should he fail.Rick Daleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05173516899130463413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588509537601105804.post-58536529958130258722009-07-30T13:56:48.184-04:002009-07-30T13:56:48.184-04:00Fred,
I hope that you appreciate some tough love...Fred, <br /><br />I hope that you appreciate some tough love, because I think a lot of tightening is in order. First, I don't have a clear sense of the story is about. And then to continue: <br /><br />1. I have a problem with the name "Ace". It seems a little cliched. Ditto for "international criminals". <br /><br />2. I don't know how you hide from the WPP. Isn't the point of WPP to hide you? Also, isn't visiting a friend like in the top five no-nos they tell you about in the Witness Protection orientation? <br /><br />3. the semi-colon in graf 2 is not grammatically correct. there are a number of typos in this letter. <br /><br />4. the "honest and open quirky townspeople" seems very cliched. <br /><br />5. "hundreds of acres of mineral rights deeds" is confusing. do you mean Tubbs owns hundreds of acres of land to which he holds the mineral rights? You have to be careful and specific when talking about land rights. Also, unless Tubbs is dead, the deeds belong to Tubbs, not the estate. <br /><br />6. the fifth paragraph adds nothing to the query. is annie important to the story, or just a sideshow? (cleared up later, but at this point, her name just shows up). Also, what hired guns are you talking about? Tremont's? what mischief are they plotting? why are they hiding in the hills? <br /><br />7. Is the U.S. marhsal there to find Ace and tell him about the Russians? Do the U.S. Marshals operate the WPP? <br /><br />8. Is Pink in the story for some reason other than to cause unspecified trouble? <br /><br />9. "The Russians" are a bit outdated as a general villain. Are we talking KGB? Russian mafia? <br /><br />10. Tremont appears to have stolen one of Tubbs' deeds? Do you mean he forges a deed? Not sure what good a stolen deed does you if it has someone else's name on it. and what kind of gas? Gas as in gasoline? as in oil? or natural gas? this is in addition to the minerals? <br /><br />And the conclusory paragraph worries me -- these additional bad guys still gunning for Ace -- you mean that don't show up in this book? or you've set up a sequel? <br /><br />I think this needs to be trimmed down a lot to focus on Ace's quest -- what is it he wants to accomplish? And focus on the primary conflict. you seem to have a lot of parts in motion that don't line up. <br /><br />Hope that helps. Hope I wasn't too harsh. I'd want brutal honesty, so I hope you do too.David Kazziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11753721662077319561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588509537601105804.post-86612954134387716572009-07-30T13:29:05.646-04:002009-07-30T13:29:05.646-04:00What a delightful story premise! I like this a lot...What a delightful story premise! I like this a lot, but it is way too long. I started getting antsy by the third graph. One thing you can do is tighten. Phrases like "can't help but," "decides to," "figure out what the heck," "if a bit," "appears to," "comes to realize," etc. take up too much territory. You want crisp, active sentences. <br />Here's a biggie: What exactly is the main plot here? I never see it clearly defined.<br />Good luck. I like your voice in this.Tricia J. O'Brienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05993110400088806252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588509537601105804.post-7757731053379769232009-07-30T13:28:46.074-04:002009-07-30T13:28:46.074-04:00As frogg said, the length is the major issue here....As frogg said, the length is the major issue here. You also might want to look at the number of sentences you have starting with Ace, especially where you have two close together that start "Ace can't help but".<br /><br />Like your voice and the story line.<br /><br />Also: The first thing I thought of was Ferris Bueller, which might not be a good thing.Barbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11972925629235261913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1588509537601105804.post-32138443079215336032009-07-30T13:07:48.368-04:002009-07-30T13:07:48.368-04:00Hi Fred -
The first problem here, and it is a de...Hi Fred - <br /><br />The first problem here, and it is a deal breaker, is that your query is MUCH too long. Go to Query Shark and read today's post, query #124. Ms. Reid loved that query and it was only 130 words long.<br /><br />Break this down into who your book is about, what is the catalyst event for your story, why is there a sense of urgency and what does everyone have to lose if your MC fails.<br /><br />Aside from that, your fist couple sentences are good. It starts to stray as soon as he visits an old friend. From that point on, you have too many details that we don't need.<br /><br />Hope that helps and good luck.<br /><br />Froggfroggfeathershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07291878952350118723noreply@blogger.com